Joel,
Excellent points. I totally agree.
Dee
starting new thread with a bit of a twist on the topic.
while i do not believe people will actually sever their ties with the watchtower on this issue, i do not doubt that a number of witness-affected people, especially the young, will recognize the hypocrisy and will factor that in when making their life decisions (ie, family, career and education).
in my opinion, this is far more important than any consequences the watchtower society itself will face.. improving people's lives who are witness-affected should be our goal not changing a set of statistics.
Joel,
Excellent points. I totally agree.
Dee
my name is kevin and i am jon's partner.
jon gave me his password a few weeks ago and asked me to post to the board if something happened to him.
as some of you know jon had been undergoing cancer treatment since the end of july.
Kevin,
My thoughts are with you. Loyal ones like you are what give me hope in life.....
Hugs.......thoughts......prayers.......
Love,
Dee
is your anger with the jw religion due mainly to the fact that you have been df'd?
is it possible that persons who post here who are not disfellowshipped can feel as angry as those who are being shunned and who are therefore being effectively gagged?.
is the df'ing policy of the wtbts the main reason that ex-jw's seem to go all out to get other witnesses out of the org?
OOPS! I did it again.....I gotta stop hitting the back button.....!
Sorry about posting that twice!
Dee
is your anger with the jw religion due mainly to the fact that you have been df'd?
is it possible that persons who post here who are not disfellowshipped can feel as angry as those who are being shunned and who are therefore being effectively gagged?.
is the df'ing policy of the wtbts the main reason that ex-jw's seem to go all out to get other witnesses out of the org?
I have enjoyed all the posts on this subject and have felt so many of the same things. But as far as being angry........I am VERY angry. I do not walk around looking angry, acting angry, or taking it out on others. But inside, I am angry for many different reasons.
1. Angry that I spent my life from 8 yrs old to 38 yrs old (I am now 39) caught up with beliefs that were a fairy tale. I was deceived!
2. Angry that I spent years and years preaching that fairy tale to many others--who now believe that fairy tale.
3. Angry that I was raised to be "submissive" and basically set up (albeit unintentionally) by my parents to marry the abusive JW I married. (Just for the record....life really was horrible then!)
4. Angry that I begged for help......and didn't get it.
5. Angry that all my "friends" disappeared when all my distresses happened (isn't there a scripture that says it supposed to be the exact opposite???).
6. Angry that my parents will not even allow me into their house, or speak to me. I am their child for God's sake, no matter how old I am. I hate the conditional love.
7. Angry that my family is so trapped.
On the other hand......I AM SO HAPPY! I have a sense of freedom and happiness I never thought was possible! I have never been more at peace (weird, huh, considering I have such anger????) with my life. I am so glad to have my eyes opened! And I am glad that I can come here and see that I am not the only one that was affected by the WTBS and their controlling ways.
Even though I don't know you all yet, I am happy, very happy to have you let me into your thoughts on this site. THANK YOU SIMON!
Dee
is your anger with the jw religion due mainly to the fact that you have been df'd?
is it possible that persons who post here who are not disfellowshipped can feel as angry as those who are being shunned and who are therefore being effectively gagged?.
is the df'ing policy of the wtbts the main reason that ex-jw's seem to go all out to get other witnesses out of the org?
I have enjoyed all the posts on this subject and have felt so many of the same things. But as far as being angry........I am VERY angry. I do not walk around looking angry, acting angry, or taking it out on others. But inside, I am angry for many different reasons.
1. Angry that I spent my life from 8 yrs old to 38 yrs old (I am now 39) caught up with beliefs that were a fairy tale. I was deceived!
2. Angry that I spent years and years preaching that fairy tale to many others--who now believe that fairy tale.
3. Angry that I was raised to be "submissive" and basically set up (albeit unintentionally) by my parents to marry the abusive JW I married. (Just for the record....life really was horrible then!)
4. Angry that I begged for help......and didn't get it.
5. Angry that all my "friends" disappeared when all my distresses happened (isn't there a scripture that says it supposed to be the exact opposite???).
6. Angry that my parents will not even allow me into their house, or speak to me. I am their child for God's sake, no matter how old I am. I hate the conditional love.
7. Angry that my family is so trapped.
On the other hand......I AM SO HAPPY! I have a sense of freedom and happiness I never thought was possible! I have never been more at peace (weird, huh, considering I have such anger????) with my life. I am so glad to have my eyes opened! And I am glad that I can come here and see that I am not the only one that was affected by the WTBS and their controlling ways.
Even though I don't know you all yet, I am happy, very happy to have you let me into your thoughts on this site. THANK YOU SIMON!
Dee
following is the response of a jw to the information regarding the un/ngo status of the watchtower society.
it seems not all will see with clarity the hypocritical position of the organisation in this matter:.
andrew,.
Good points Hawkaw. It's amazing how the WTBS can water down their involvement with excuses....but what happened to us when we did something hypocritical? We would be dragged into the back room, and no excuses allowed for us....as JWs, we couldn't water down what we did, or we were not repentant and could be df'd.
Wonder who will df them? They must not be repentant.
first off, i apologize if this subject has been hashed out before or even lately...i haven't noticed it if it has, but i need to ask it now, as it affects my family as i'm sure it does now, or has in the past, affected many of you here.. i have a daughter who is a very active jw, and a very typical one.
if the wts says it, it has to be so...or if she doesn't down deep agree with it, then god will eventually fix it, but for the time being she is supposed to go along with it....etc.
etc.. this is how she feels about df'ing, da'ing and the resulting shunning..even of a close family member, like her brother whom she adores.
I am df'd for about a year....disowned by my parents, and other family. I am fine with staying away from that mind control. I never could reconcile that my abusive ex was such a terrible person in my parents eyes for being so controlling and mean. but that it was okay to be abusive and mean by shunning to someone who simply did not conform to the "rules", but was still a wonderful person.
Well, I found out! (Not that I am so wonderful, but I am their daughter!) No unconditional love there whatsoever. My parents go beyond the letter of the law in shunning me too. But, funny thing is, I don't feel bad. I just feel relieved. I miss having family, but not them. How wierd is that???
This is one girl that will never go back.....
<<<<<<<jumping for joy and loving life>>>>>>>>>>>
Dee
it's about 8:30 here...turn it to the discovery channel to tune in.
I saw part of the show last night.....wow....they had one part with the whole theory about the Aryan race and how they believed women had only one function...to make blonde babies. They showed pics of a hospital with dozens of babies on a table all waiting to be changed! Other kids were kidnapped and placed with SS officers and their wives so that these kids and the babies could be raised with all the training to be a Nazi.
Knew alot of the other stuff....didn't know about the babies.....some never saw their real parents.
following is the response of a jw to the information regarding the un/ngo status of the watchtower society.
it seems not all will see with clarity the hypocritical position of the organisation in this matter:.
andrew,.
OK, so I have a response from Brooklyn Bethel as to what they are saying about their involvement in associating themselves with the UN. Some of my family went to visit yesterday and asked about it.
According to the person they talked to, no name given, but somewhat high up there (I am pretty sure I know who), said that they became an NGO years ago, when the application process was much simpler and the guidelines for being an NGO were much less stringent. They did it so that they could have access to literature that would not normally be available to the public and for "information purposes". They said they are reviewing their NGO status due to the recent changes in the requirements of the NGO's at this time.
This is probably one of many excuses given out to the R&F to soothe any ruffled feathers. The fact is, that they still applied to the image of the beast for connection to them.....HARLOTS! But the response from my dad was acceptance, like a little lamb.... kind of a "see, I knew there was a good reason the org would do that" attitude. UUGH.
the posts in the elders meeting thread got me thinking about this, so i've spun it off for into another thread.. were you ever 'counseled' because "some" in the congregation were disturbed by things you said/did/listened to/watched?.
here is just some of the stupid stuff that the elders brought me in on.
though they were usually handled through shepherding calls, not in the back room at the kh.. 1: because i decided to change my first and middle names.
Hey Dedalus,
Isn't it amazing how much they looooovvve the "gory details" of any kind of sex scandal??? I had a friend that committed adultery--she told me that she was sure that every elder should have been disfellowshipped for what they were thinking when they talked to her. They wanted every detail of the acts themselves.....And then where did he kiss you.....And then what did you do......you get the point. I could be so much more graphic...they were. They spent 3 hours on details of sex and then about 15 minutes on whether she was repentant!!!!! They decided she wasn't. (Even though she was very sorry for what she did!)
THey love juicy tidbits!!!